Netscape 4.xx, DIV, CSS and positioning

[Michael]

I have been developing an unconventional site that utilizes CSS and DIV tags
to position (absolute) elements on the page. It works in IE for Mac and
Windows but NS 4.5 throws the DIV elements all over the page and sometimes
visually cuts off the underlying HTML table and image structure. PLEASE,
if some one could look at the source code for this one pagfe and suggest
a solution. CSS is in the Head obviously, and the DIVs are at the bottom,
following the main content.:

http://www.foodism.com/test/feste.htm

I have run out of ideas and can't search for solutions any more...need sleep...

Perhaps someone could tell me if it's a lost cause to try and make it work
for Netscape 4.xx. After all, the site is definitely already designed to
exclude many by its sheer size and unconventional layout. I could accept
a good argument for my client to forget NS4. as a good solution...

Michael

[neil m]

first of all, read this:

http://css.nu/pointers/bugs-nn.html#NN4

it has the css bugs in / tips for netscape.

put your css inline for the divs:

<div id="myid" style="position:absolute;left:50px;top:50px;z-index:1;">test</div>



"Michael" <enjoylifealot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I have been developing an unconventional site that utilizes CSS and DIV
tags
>to position (absolute) elements on the page. It works in IE for Mac and
>Windows but NS 4.5 throws the DIV elements all over the page and sometimes
> visually cuts off the underlying HTML table and image structure. PLEASE,
>if some one could look at the source code for this one pagfe and suggest
>a solution. CSS is in the Head obviously, and the DIVs are at the bottom,
>following the main content.:
>
>http://www.foodism.com/test/feste.htm
>
>I have run out of ideas and can't search for solutions any more...need sleep...
>
>Perhaps someone could tell me if it's a lost cause to try and make it work
>for Netscape 4.xx. After all, the site is definitely already designed
to
>exclude many by its sheer size and unconventional layout. I could accept
>a good argument for my client to forget NS4. as a good solution...
>
>Michael

[patch]

I meet up with the same problems every time with netscape.. (wether that be
4 or 6) and decided to stop supporting NS4 long time now.. I feel that if I
really need to keep a buglist that long next to my advanced designs its not
worth it.. In most cases i'll redirect ns4 to the html3 content if
available..

As for the rendering-problems.. Neil suggested to put the css inline for the
divs.. well.. the nice thing about css is that it offers the possability to
seperate form from content. If I was to put the css inline I might as well
save me a whole world of trouble and do the whole site in html3-tables with
some small dhtml additions.. where needed (which I then would have to hide
from NS)..

This is also what I tell my customers BEFORE i start a project.. I ask them
which browsers they want me to support and make an estemate based on that
information, when they want NS4 inthere I'll add another 2hrs testing to
every hour developing. When the customer then asks where these hours come
from I'll tell them I make a page in an hour for IE and then lose two hours
trying to get it right for netscape without screwing the IE version up... If
thats not enough to convince them I'll just make a dhtml page with an
external stylesheet, show that in IE (which looks perfectly nice ofcourse)
then I'll take them to netscape and reload a couple of times (with different
results every reload).... they'll get the idea..

then I'l tell them I'm NOT gonna lose time(=money) because NS isn't capable
of doing it right.. sorry.. that last bit gets their priorities straight
every time..

now, go tell your boss..
patch

ps. the above statement only considers advanced dhtml pages/designes (lots
of scripting/css stuff going on), when it's just an info site I mostly
default to html3 with a dynamic-twist.. works perfectly well for me and my
customers.. if they want more they'll pay for it..

Michael wrote in message <3d2ff074$1@10.1.10.29>...
>
>I have been developing an unconventional site that utilizes CSS and DIV
tags
>to position (absolute) elements on the page. It works in IE for Mac and
>Windows but NS 4.5 throws the DIV elements all over the page and sometimes
> visually cuts off the underlying HTML table and image structure. PLEASE,
>if some one could look at the source code for this one pagfe and suggest
>a solution. CSS is in the Head obviously, and the DIVs are at the bottom,
>following the main content.:
>
>http://www.foodism.com/test/feste.htm
>
>I have run out of ideas and can't search for solutions any more...need
sleep...
>
>Perhaps someone could tell me if it's a lost cause to try and make it work
>for Netscape 4.xx. After all, the site is definitely already designed to
>exclude many by its sheer size and unconventional layout. I could accept
>a good argument for my client to forget NS4. as a good solution...
>
>Michael

[Anthony]

That's nice, it takes an extra 2 hours to write a page in NS? I don't think
so. Try this, start developing in NS and make the page work perfectly.
Then it'll take an extra 2 hours to make the page work correctly in IE.


It's all a matter of perspective...
-- Anthony


"patch" <pretpet@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I meet up with the same problems every time with netscape.. (wether that
be
>4 or 6) and decided to stop supporting NS4 long time now.. I feel that if
I
>really need to keep a buglist that long next to my advanced designs its
not
>worth it.. In most cases i'll redirect ns4 to the html3 content if
>available..
>
>As for the rendering-problems.. Neil suggested to put the css inline for
the
>divs.. well.. the nice thing about css is that it offers the possability
to
>seperate form from content. If I was to put the css inline I might as well
>save me a whole world of trouble and do the whole site in html3-tables with
>some small dhtml additions.. where needed (which I then would have to hide
>from NS)..
>
>This is also what I tell my customers BEFORE i start a project.. I ask them
>which browsers they want me to support and make an estemate based on that
>information, when they want NS4 inthere I'll add another 2hrs testing to
>every hour developing. When the customer then asks where these hours come
>from I'll tell them I make a page in an hour for IE and then lose two hours
>trying to get it right for netscape without screwing the IE version up...
If
>thats not enough to convince them I'll just make a dhtml page with an
>external stylesheet, show that in IE (which looks perfectly nice ofcourse)
>then I'll take them to netscape and reload a couple of times (with different
>results every reload).... they'll get the idea..
>
>then I'l tell them I'm NOT gonna lose time(=money) because NS isn't capable
>of doing it right.. sorry.. that last bit gets their priorities straight
>every time..
>
>now, go tell your boss..
>patch
>
>ps. the above statement only considers advanced dhtml pages/designes (lots
>of scripting/css stuff going on), when it's just an info site I mostly
>default to html3 with a dynamic-twist.. works perfectly well for me and
my
>customers.. if they want more they'll pay for it..
>
>Michael wrote in message <3d2ff074$1@10.1.10.29>...
>>
>>I have been developing an unconventional site that utilizes CSS and DIV
>tags
>>to position (absolute) elements on the page. It works in IE for Mac and
>>Windows but NS 4.5 throws the DIV elements all over the page and sometimes
>> visually cuts off the underlying HTML table and image structure. PLEASE,
>>if some one could look at the source code for this one pagfe and suggest
>>a solution. CSS is in the Head obviously, and the DIVs are at the bottom,
>>following the main content.:
>>
>>http://www.foodism.com/test/feste.htm
>>
>>I have run out of ideas and can't search for solutions any more...need
>sleep...
>>
>>Perhaps someone could tell me if it's a lost cause to try and make it work
>>for Netscape 4.xx. After all, the site is definitely already designed
to
>>exclude many by its sheer size and unconventional layout. I could accept
>>a good argument for my client to forget NS4. as a good solution...
>>
>>Michael
>
>